Priced like the old business, running like a new one: management is redirecting the call away from the metric investors
The model's full reasoning — Q3 2017 call → NOWe need to determine if management repeatedly redirects attention away from the conventional yardstick and toward a different part of the business that is already earning, and indicates that the record has not caught up. The company is Freeport-McMoRan, a copper mining company. The conventional yardstick is likely copper production, copper prices, and overall financial results. Management discusses many things: strong cash flows, debt reduction, copper market outlook, Grasberg negotiations, and future growth projects. Key points: Management emphasizes that the company has a strong portfolio beyond Indonesia, particularly the Americas operations. They say: "we've got a great business in Indonesia but if you look at the operation in the Americas beyond Indonesia, you can see a business that has very substantial values in its own right." They highlight the Americas operations generating $719 million of cash flows above CapEx in Q3, and over $2 billion for nine months. They also discuss future growth options like Lone Star, El Abra, etc. But is management redirecting attention away from the conventional yardstick? The conventional yardstick for a copper miner is copper production, copper prices, and overall earnings. Management does discuss copper prices and market outlook extensively. They also discuss debt reduction and balance sheet. They do not seem to be setting aside the conventional metric. They are still organizing the call around copper production, costs, and cash flows. They are not saying that copper production is no longer the right thing to watch. They are not pointing to a different part of the business that is already earning and saying that the reported figures don't reflect it. They do highlight the Americas as a strong part, but that is still part of the same copper business. They are not saying that the company's results are now driven by something else like a service or technology. They are still a copper miner. The "different part" would need to be something like a new business line, a different product, or a different revenue stream that is not yet reflected in the conventional metrics. Here, the Americas are still copper mining, just a different geography. The conventional yardstick is copper production and prices, and they are still judged on that. They are not setting that aside.
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