Somebody else pays first: management describes counterparties putting their own money down ahead of delivery
The model's full reasoning — Q4 2015 call → NOWe need to determine if management describes counterparties putting their own money or resources at risk before receiving what they are paying for, and that this is happening now, not just a plan. The transcript is about Santander's earnings call. The business is banking. Counterparties are customers depositing money. In banking, deposits are a core part of the business. But the question asks if management describes that counterparties are pre-funding the company, i.e., customers putting money in before delivery. In banking, deposits are essentially customers lending money to the bank, but the bank uses those deposits to fund loans. However, the question is about "paying, depositing, reserving, funding, or committing capital in advance of delivery." In banking, deposits are a form of funding. But is that considered "pre-funding" in the sense of the question? The question is about a phenomenon where counterparties are pre-funding the company, meaning they pay before receiving goods/services. In banking, customers deposit money, and the bank provides services like safekeeping, but the deposit is a liability. The bank uses deposits to fund lending. However, the question specifically asks if management describes that the people on the other side of the company's business are now putting their own money or resources at risk before they receive what they are paying for. In banking, deposits are a normal part of the business. The question says "NO if the company simply gets paid in the ordinary course on normal terms, however promptly — routine invoicing, standard progress billing that the industry has always used, ordinary customer credit terms, or a business that has always collected in advance with nothing changed or notable." So if deposits are a normal part of banking, then it's not notable. The question asks if management describes this as something actually happening now in real dealings rather than as a hope, a plan, or an industry norm the company has always enjoyed. So we need to see if management highlights that customers are committing capital in advance in a way that is meaningful and notable. Looking at the transcript, management talks about growth in customer deposits, demand deposits, etc. For example, "On the liability side growth in customer funds was 7%." They talk about growing deposits.
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SYM · Q3 2022 → YESThe question is: Does management describe that the people on the OTHER SIDE of the company's business are now PUTTING THEIR OWN MONEY OR RESOURCES AT RISK BEFORE they receive what they are paying for ...YES The transcript shows management describing real advance commitments from customers: the $11.3 billion backlog (more than doubled), strong deferred revenue on the balance sheet representing a "very significant cost float," and contracts that lock in commitments with restricted changes. Revenue is recognized on a percentage-of-completion basis during deployment, meaning payments 18 months ahead of acceptance. This is framed as an active benefit enabling confident scaling, not a routine or historical norm. They also note improved supplier terms, but the customer-side pre-funding via deferred revenue and backlog is explicitly highlighted as occurring now. This meets the criteria for counterparties committing capital ahead of delivery.
EVGO · Q2 2022 → YESThe question is: Does management describe that the people on the OTHER SIDE of the company's business are now PUTTING THEIR OWN MONEY OR RESOURCES AT RISK BEFORE they receive what they are paying for ...YES The transcript shows management describing the eXtend model with Pilot and GM where the customer (Pilot/GM) incurs the upfront capital expenditures for the charging infrastructure, while EVgo receives ongoing revenues from operations, maintenance, and services. This is presented as an actual, current business arrangement that provides EVgo with immediate cash flow and contracted revenues, not as a future hope or industry norm. Cathy Zoi notes the agreement exceeds IRR hurdles and provides near-term revenue, and Olga Shevorenkova explains the customer funds the build-out, enabling EVgo to generate margin as developer and operator.
BLZE · Q3 2022 → YESThe question is: Does management describe that the people on the OTHER SIDE of the company's business are now PUTTING THEIR OWN MONEY OR RESOURCES AT RISK BEFORE they receive what they are paying for ...YES The transcript shows management describing B2 Reserve as a capacity-based pricing program that includes premium support and free data migration, with revenue ramping in Q3. Frank notes B2 Reserve contracts are "effectively committed contracts," and Gleb calls them "committed contracts" in response to an investor question. This is presented as occurring now, with "initial ramp in demand" and "revenue increasing each month of Q3," not as a future plan or industry norm. The capacity-reservation aspect aligns with the described phenomenon of counterparties committing capital in advance.