Bought the ticket, hasn't taken the ride: the company has already paid for its next stage and is now waiting to be paid
The model's full reasoning — Q4 2023 call → NOWe need to determine if management describes a situation where the company has already spent or committed resources for a stage of business that has not yet been paid back, with the return still outstanding and treated as a matter of time. Key points from the transcript: - The company has been working on La Preciosa, a key growth asset. They signed a long-term land use agreement with the local community, which was a pivotal step. They have submitted environmental permit applications. They have commenced hauling old surface stockpiles from La Preciosa to the Avino mill for processing. They expect to process these stockpiles in Q2 2024. They have budgeted $3-4 million for La Preciosa in 2024 for surface works and equipment procurement. They have mining equipment necessary to commence operations. They anticipate receiving permits sometime in 2024. They are not budgeting for fresh production from La Preciosa in 2024, only stockpiles. - The Oxide Tailings project: PFS completed, but next steps are community engagement and environmental impact studies. No spending yet? They have reserves but not yet developed. - The company has been investing in the Avino mine, but that's ongoing operations. The question: Does management describe a situation where they have already spent or committed resources for a stage of business that has not yet been paid back? The spending on La Preciosa: they have signed land use agreement, they have submitted permits, they have started hauling stockpiles. The stockpiles are being processed, so that will bring revenue. But the major development of La Preciosa (mining fresh ore) is still ahead. They have spent on community engagement, permits, and some equipment? They say "Capital costs for La Preciosa in 2024 is expected to be between US$3 million to US$4 million, and will include surface works and equipment procurement intended for the first phase of mine development." That is future spending, not already done. They have already done some things: signed land use agreement, submitted permits, started hauling stockpiles. But the hauling of stockpiles is already generating revenue? They say they will process stockpiles in Q2, so that is coming. The major outlay for development is still ahead.
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PRIM · Q2 2018 → YESThe question is about whether management describes having already spent money or resources for a larger operation, but the revenue from that hasn't arrived yet. YES The transcript shows management describing the Willbros acquisition as a completed outlay: closed June 1, $165 million total paid ($38.4 million cash for shares + $123.2 million debt settlement + $3.1 million fees), net cash $111 million, funded by revolver, then refinanced 220 million term loan. This is treated as already done, not planned. The return is still largely outstanding: only one month of Willbros operations reported ($61 million revenue, $6.8 million gross profit, $2.9 million operating income in June), merger-related expenses $7.
PSX · Q4 2016 → YESThe question is about whether management describes having already spent money or resources for a larger operation, but the returns haven't come yet, and they expect them soon as a matter of time. YES Management describes the U.S. Gulf Coast Petrochemicals Project as already substantially paid for: capital spending is “reduced following the completion of the project” and “down significantly” compared with last year, with roughly $1 billion of CapEx no longer available for distribution.
TGI · Q2 2017 → YESThe question is about whether management describes having already spent money or resources for a larger operation that hasn't paid back yet. YES The transcript shows management describing a clear situation matching all three criteria. On slide 13, they report "$126 million" of year-to-date investments in development programs as a completed cash outflow ("used $126 million"), with incremental customer financing providing $100 million offset.